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0:00    asians in aid of legislation a Senate
 
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committee report shows there was no
 
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state-sponsored killings in relation to
 
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mr. that this drug war but the numbers
 
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tell a different story
 
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well at least according to the
 
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commission on human rights and other
 
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groups and now that a death-penalty Bell
 
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is being pushed in Congress how can the
 
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chr make it stand let’s go straight to
 
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the source of the story
 
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chr chairman chito gets caught thank you
 
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for being here so no thank you for the
 
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invitation I’m happy to be here in the
 
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eve of Human Rights state it is the eve
 
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of human rights day we are going to
 
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memory that tomorrow let’s begin with
 
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the committee report that came out very
 
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senator richard gordon chairman of the
 
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committee on justice and human rights
 
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saying that there is no state-sponsored
 
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what do you think of that well we
 
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respect the Senate committees decision
 
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to make its own judgment or things
 
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however from the point of view of the
 
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Commission human rights human rights
 
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defenders and actually the International
 
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Human Rights Committee community we
 
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believe that it’s premature for the
 
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Senate to make a decision of this nature
 
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given that the president’s war on drugs
 
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is continuing and that the debts are
 
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piling up and unfortunately and this is
 
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very important to highlight no one has
 
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yet been upheld to account for these
 
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stats because when you say
 
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state-sponsored and he says now there is
 
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no state-sponsored killings
 
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it’s not just about the perpetrators but
 
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it’s about the state in ensuring that it
 
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will hold the perpetrators to account
 
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meaning investigations are conducted
 
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prosecution’s are underway and
 
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ultimately convictions occur
 
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yes but when the national bureau of
 
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investigation itself finds a
 
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determination of on as assassination an
 
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despite the official line
 
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the those who are involved at nine lab
 
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man who but no proof of Nanda band has
 
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happened and then the president will say
 
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he will make sure they are not going to
 
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I don’t know how else to describe that
 
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but being state-sponsored so because the
 
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president said I will not allow my men
 
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to go to jail you feel or you’re saying
 
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now that that is state-sponsored will
 
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automatically when this press that says
 
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it will be bloody I kill you I will
 
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pardon those policemen that will be part
 
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of this whole process it’s essentially a
 
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public policy now I’m not saying every
 
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single death has a reason over the last
 
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five months was state perpetrated a
 
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significant number are committed by
 
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vigilantes who we do not know at this
 
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point in time who they are there is some
 
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anecdotal evidence to suggest that there
 
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is at least in some cases some
 
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relationship between some rogue elements
 
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of the police and these vigilantes but
 
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at least with respect to the over 2,000
 
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deaths that resulted from what are
 
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ostensibly legitimate police operations
 
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and in every single instance manly man
 
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including the one involving mayor
 
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Espinosa again they said no man but when
 
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you look further and deeper
 
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it appears to be the case that at least
 
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in many of these instances it is it that
 
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then the police authorities that got
 
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involved in this estate agents must be
 
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held to account and if they’re not held
 
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to account then that essentially
 
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state-sponsored ok i was going to talk
 
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about that a little later on in the
 
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program but since you brought it up
 
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yesterday there was suppressed briefing
 
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coming from the DOJ secretary big eater
 
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and II pnp chief ronald LMAO Secretary
 
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of it together were quick to defend the
 
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let’s put this put this into context the
 
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president’s words he was saying that he
 
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believes the testimony of the policeman
 
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and he said he will not allow them to go
 
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to jail but that is subject to a lot of
 
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interpretation but first let’s listen
 
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exactly to what the president said I
 
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will not allow these guys to go to
 
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baskin as a BNP I murder totally
 
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undermine bi I and their communion
 
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Department of Justice what when
 
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Newcastle also because the Apple anyone
 
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the opposite police believing in me or
 
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chris messina pretty well Angela and
 
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police on criminal you need to go back
 
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home not political 7sec be cool and we
 
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this is a PMO’s error will leave in a
 
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min doubles of the man back to totally
 
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how does that make you feel well that’s
 
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actually been what we’ve been saying
 
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from day one know that the the
 
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government has an obligation to ensure
 
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that our communities are safe and
 
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protected that criminals must be pursued
 
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after all have criminal oh but they must
 
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do so in accordance with due process
 
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rule of law and respect for human rights
 
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and up to this point in time
 
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why we’ve had some differences in the
 
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course of monitoring human rights cases
 
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with security forces for the most part
 
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the great majority of our security
 
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forces the police and our soldiers have
 
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over the last 30 years since the
 
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restoration of democracy been respectful
 
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of established norms and when there are
 
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perpetrators they don’t cover up front
 
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but now with President the third is a
 
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vision of law and order and strong of
 
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male fist approach it appears is
 
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essentially giving law enforcement
 
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officials apart blanche to do whatever
 
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they would and this of course creates
 
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the environment and context for quick
 
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fixes or shortcuts violations of what’s
 
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called the police operations procedures
 
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manual p 0 p man 1 which also definitely
 
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includes what is referred to as the use
 
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of force continuum use of force
 
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continuum is a set of standards whereby
 
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our police before they use a deadly
 
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weapon must follow and the purpose of it
 
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is to reduce the risk of death at sea
 
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and every instance but you know the
 
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facts show that since mr. 30 became
 
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president are thatthat’s arising from
 
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police operations has risen dramatically
 
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now I’m not saying that they are not
 
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entitled to defend themselves in to
 
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defend the communities certainly nonlin
 
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if proven is a justifiable circumstance
 
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but in every single case Miliband 911
 
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and then we’re receiving comments
 
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they’re actually alternative stories to
 
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some of these cases I think what needs
 
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to be done is we pursue the
 
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investigations as the NBI did in the
 
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SPOs ok but it should happen for all the
 
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also so here’s the question so the NB is
 
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saying at least in the case of mayor
 
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Landrieu Espinosa it was arm rub out and
 
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it wasn’t a shootout but the president
 
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was saying that he told his men dept
 
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lebon as you have been saying to fight
 
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what is the effect you think of the
 
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president’s statements that he will have
 
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allowed them to go to jail to the
 
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finding of the NBI that it was a rub out
 
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and not a shootout and consequently the
 
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possible filing of cases by the DOJ
 
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actually our position is that in this
 
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case we should find the cases and let
 
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the courts ultimately result based on
 
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the evidence and in fact that’s the call
 
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i also made the second day of Justice
 
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earlier this week in all the other cases
 
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where there is a statement of nala ban
 
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effectively in previous DOJ policy not
 
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the prosecutors would file cases against
 
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the law enforcement officials Hussein
 
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and LeBron because you’ve already
 
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overcome with the threshold of what’s
 
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called probable cause probable causes a
 
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determination that a crime had been
 
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committed and the one who is suspected
 
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of having committed the crime is the
 
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person that is currently being
 
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investigated so in a land nallavan case
 
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essentially you have a police officer
 
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that says yes someone died and I was the
 
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the only difference is there is this
 
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self-defense the argument right but that
 
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is not a matter for administrative
 
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proceedings to determine you don’t wash
 
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your hands and say okay he scared the
 
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charges must be filed evidence must be
 
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presented in the courts and the courts
 
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will have to determine is not abandon
 
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this specific case of justifying so what
 
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happens now to summarize this the NDIS
 
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it’s are about it’s not a shootout the
 
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president is basically the president was
 
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saying that nobody was to shoot up
 
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another about how are you telling me now
 
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that it should be almost automatic that
 
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the oj file this case against the 24
 
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policeman involved yes it must be
 
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especially after the NBI hasn’t seen
 
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that the non Lebanon argument that’s not
 
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the lie in this case cases must be filed
 
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in court and let the courts decide but
 
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what I’m also saying is even in the
 
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other pieces it it must be same for
 
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teachers a lot older than this year okay
 
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before we go on a break
 
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chairman what happens if it’s a four or
 
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five man panel that the d.o.g has right
 
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now looking into this case of the 24
 
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policeman vs mir Rolanda is not what
 
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happens if they do not find probable
 
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costs how would you react to that
 
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well then it just paints the picture
 
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that we are that’s unfolding really that
 
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essentially the law enforcement
 
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officials can do very well whatever they
 
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want and people will find it difficult
 
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to secure justice and the problem is
 
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with this whole non lebon justification
 
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that men they’ll know there’s and how
 
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can we then put anyone to to a Caucasian
 
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or their excesses what the what the
 
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president’s statement what he said would
 
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that affect the ongoing probe by the
 
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d.o.g I hope not that’s why we have a
 
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system of rules and laws
 
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everyone has their mandates in the DOJ
 
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must still do their job in essence
 
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chairman looking into the committee
 
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report that’s how we started this
 
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how do you describe the report because
 
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you know you have senator truly honest
 
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and I’m requesting lemon committee
 
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report me on BBM senator Giuliani saying
 
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i think he called it a piece of garbage
 
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I’m how would you describe the committee
 
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report well the statement of fact that
 
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the committee members have decided
 
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at this point in the middle of the
 
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things unfolding to make a determination
 
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CS premature premature are you at all of
 
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what is happening now with the CH are
 
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considering that the death penalty is
 
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moving quite fast at the house of
 
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representatives they’re going to speaker
 
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Alvarez we had him a while back and he
 
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said that he hopes that the house of
 
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representatives will be able to pass
 
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this before the Christmas break
 
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well it appears that that is the plan of
 
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the speaker in the the first step has
 
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been arrived at the committee has
 
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decided to approve the committee of in
 
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charge of this bill to bring it to the
 
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floor we had actually requested that
 
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there’s be continuing hearings and to
 
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join more experts and to look at the
 
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international development as well but
 
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the committee felt that it was time to
 
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stop and pass it to the floor
 
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we hope that the floor of the house
 
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might consider that this is again
 
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something that needs further
 
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deliberation and put it back to the
 
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committee but do you think that are over
 
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that wants to make these of christmas
 
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gift to president the third day that
 
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they passed the death penalty be about
 
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their level and so–but but we will
 
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continue to try and fight this and all
 
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levels what do you think about that if
 
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you’re saying that it could possibly be
 
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a Christmas present by speaker average
 
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yeah well it’s essentially what we are
 
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seeing since President there they came
 
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to power a policy of promoting violence
 
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in different forms we have the violence
 
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that’s in the streets now in relation to
 
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the drug war we now have institutional
 
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state-sanctioned violence by way of the
 
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region position of the death penalty but
 
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the fight isn’t over
 
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on the opportunity for discussions at
 
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the Senate are you more optimistic about
 
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the fight in the Senate
 
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I you know I heard janitor we shall
 
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develop saying that in the beginning
 
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there were about seven senators who are
 
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opposed to it but at last count there
 
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are about nine or ten well certainly the
 
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more senators that are posted the better
 
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because they need 13 to pass a law and
 
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so nine or ten isn’t quite there yet but
 
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we really why we hoped there would be
 
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more discussions an assessment of
 
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everything that’s relevant to this in
 
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fact one of the important things to
 
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highlight this most states are moving
 
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away from the death penalty that’s a
 
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Tennessee internationalization and to
 
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reimpose after we had already abolished
 
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this is something that is unconscionable
 
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okay a quick reaction the United Nations
 
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Human Rights sent a letter to hope you
 
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don’t mind I’m reading it I’m here my
 
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phone to both leaders of Congress
 
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speaker Alvarez and Senator koko
 
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Pimentel and he was saying they were
 
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saying that they are concerned about
 
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this revival the possible revival of the
 
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death penalty that we are a signatory to
 
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the second optional protocol to the
 
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International Convention on Civil and
 
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Political Rights what does this all mean
 
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chairman yeah this is a very important
 
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matter sent by the UN high commissioner
 
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and human rights that Congress should
 
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take into account and this wasn’t
 
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something that they took into account in
 
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we are a party to international
 
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convention the second option about
 
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protocol that essentially commits the
 
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state to do two things
 
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abolish the death penalty which we did
 
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but also commits us to not very
 
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impulsive so if Congress were to
 
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reimpose the death penalty after it had
 
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abolished it effectively we will be
 
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violating this treaty to which we are
 
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apart now I have a question on that
 
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because speaker Alvarez that was the
 
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same argument made by Vice President
 
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little better and the speaker was saying
 
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speaker alvarez was saying that
 
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our loss are superior to us being a
 
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signatory to any treaty
 
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what do you say that well first treatise
 
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are also long now and in fact in the
 
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scheme of things where there’s more
 
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interruption globally international law
 
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does have impact in national laws but
 
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not our own lost eight presidents over
 
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international laws as being signaled
 
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that signatories to treaties or
 
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agreement know they are taken together
 
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and holistically in fact the
 
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Constitution itself our own constitution
 
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which is our fundamental law has a
 
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specific provision that says we adopt
 
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the generally accepted principles of
 
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international law as part of the law of
 
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the land and also it has another
 
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provision that says treaties have force
 
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in effect once they are concurred in so
 
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what happens is all that everybody is
 
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survived there is a conflict of law and
 
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while a low maybe passed by Congress
 
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that reinforces it when it does so it is
 
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in direct conflict with another law and
 
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we will be in violation of that law
 
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ok let’s talk about the war on drugs
 
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what it what is the number of the chr
 
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right now in terms of death on war on
 
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drugs and how many cases are you looking
 
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into and how many cases have been filed
 
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you know this person killings that are
 
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as a result of the war on drugs is
 
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unprecedented in terms of scale and pace
 
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you know over 5,800 in accordance with
 
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the tally of the major no we don’t have
 
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our own party actually so we rely on
 
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what the media and the police report in
 
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over five months that’s about 10,000
 
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that’s a month and it’s staggering and
 
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we just can’t keep pace and we’re very
 
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small institution now we only are
 
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currently investigating all of that 5000
 
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only 420 cases 420k chinon you have your
 
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hair school we have a hundred twenty we
 
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have an intention of trying to
 
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investigate document uncover the facts
 
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in all of these cases but we just can’t
 
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that’s why we rely on police we rely on
 
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the NBI we rely on NGOs to continue to
 
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document you said the number is
 
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staggering and at some point you compare
 
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the number the deaths on the war on
 
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drugs to the deaths during martial law
 
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and you earned the ire of the son of the
 
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president vice mayor power to that day
 
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yeah well I’m just dealing with facts
 
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that the reality is we now have 5800
 
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debts if these are to be believed in
 
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five months and that’s certainly far
 
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more than the deaths that have occurred
 
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in the first few years of martial law so
 
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I I concede in a in a census are
 
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one was debts that were pursued as part
 
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of the perpetuation of an authoritarian
 
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rule the other is that the in the
 
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pursuit of law and order purpose but in
 
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either case there are human rights
 
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standards that have to be complied with
 
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and it known on vice-mayor the dead that
 
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was trying to make a distinction between
 
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the kind of people that are victims of
 
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Hurricane human rights perspective every
 
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life every person a victim an organized
 
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system it is a cream
 
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now they all have right does that mean
 
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that what does that make of the times
 
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now because if you have that comparison
 
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I understand what you’re saying in terms
 
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what does this period of time mean to
 
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you compared to the time during martial
 
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law when there were more killings this
 
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time than during martial law that we
 
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haven’t learned our lesson that those
 
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with authority those who are given the
 
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monopoly of the use of force must in all
 
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instances weather in time of martial law
 
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or in time of peace where the
 
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authoritarian periods or in democratic
 
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systems must be held to account this is
 
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a global problem thinking because even
 
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in the United States people are now at
 
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an uproar at so many debts arising from
 
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police operations as well but I’d like
 
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to do a follow-up on that is it works
 
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now are you saying that it’s worse now
 
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than then it was during martial well
 
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that requires more messy assessment and
 
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analysis no I wouldn’t say it’s worse in
 
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the sense that we still have a democracy
 
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Congress are still operating our quarter
 
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operating you have a commission right on
 
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human rights at the saying you know we
 
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should stop this get back to reason and
 
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rationality but what this word is the
 
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fact that people are dying you have a
 
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seven-year term the Commission on Human
 
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Rights you’re the chairman you have four
 
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members of the board again as I said a
 
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seven-year term you have very have a
 
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very cold relationship with the
 
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president right now chairman has it
 
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entered your mind have you thought about
 
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it that you know because it’s so
 
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difficult possibly for you and your team
 
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I’ve spoken to commissioner and another
 
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Commissioner as well Commissioner
 
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daddy’s have you ever thought of leaving
 
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your posts are resigning because of the
 
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current relationship you have with the
 
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president not the answer to that is no I
 
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have not thought about it because I when
 
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I took my oath of office to uphold the
 
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fan fulfill human rights I
 
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I knew that this must be done in good
 
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times as well as in bad times and you
 
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know all administration’s have their
 
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fair share of human rights violations
 
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and we need to call them out so we just
 
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need to speak truth to power and do the
 
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artwork and remind those in the
 
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executive department because we’re
 
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independent of the executive department
 
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we our role is to be a monitor in
 
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watchdog to remind them of their duties
 
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and to call them out if they violate
 
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human right how difficult has it been
 
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for the chr well it’s been difficult in
 
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terms of the resources needed to keep
 
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pace but we’re still encouraged by the
 
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commitment of our staff as well as the
 
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human rights our community and we will
 
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do the best we can and maybe from day
 
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today might not be enough but hopefully
 
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over time it may be enough chairman she
 
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just called good to have you and of
 
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course good luck that thank you so much
 
 
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